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[L3mming2]

do you think lights need to be
-buffed
-nerfed
-are good where they are?

pl tell your tier alongside your awnser
tnx

example;

buffed
t2


preliminary results

t1)
buff; 4
nerf; 1
good; 1

t2)
buff; 10
nerf; 0
good; 5

t3)
buff; 6
nerf; 0
good; 4

t4)
buff; 0
nerf; 0
good; 2

t5)
buff; 0
nerf; 0
good; 2

results;
35 votes
20 buff votes
14 good as they are votes
1 nerf vote

other intresting things; its clear that the idea that the higher the tier the more ppl think that lights are up and need to be buffed is corect.

==> we need a way that buffs lights in high tiers but dont make them op in low tiers..
any ideas on how to do that?

Edited by L3mming2, 30 September 2015 - 05:39 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Depends on the chassis/variant.

t3

[Vlad Ward]

[FupDup]

Stance: Should be improved as a whole, as only a few of them (e.g. ACH) come close to contributing as much as their heavier overlords.

Tier: T3 with the epeen bar filled most of the way.

[TheCharlatan]

Most need to be buffed.
T3.

I will however say that i do not approve this "state your tier" thing. Why do you care?

[L3mming2]

cdlord, on 24 September 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

Depends on the chassis/variant.

t3

so i'll count you in at the 3d category?

[L3mming2]

TheCharlatan, on 24 September 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

Most need to be buffed.
T3.

I will however say that i do not approve this "state your tier" thing. Why do you care?

cos i think the avrage t1 will say they are up and need to be buffed, the avrage t5 will say they are op and need to be nerfed making this a clear case of they are op unless u can aim..
but you can only know somthing if u go to the troble of chekking it

[Innocent]

By asking responders for their tier you are validating all of the arguements against releasing this statistic. It has no place in any gameplay discussions and is only inviting problems on the forums.

[CDLord HHGD]

L3mming2, on 24 September 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

so i'll count you in at the 3d category?

3D category? Probably, but not sure what that is.

[L3mming2]

Innocent, on 24 September 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

By asking responders for their tier you are validating all of the arguements against releasing this statistic. It has no place in any gameplay discussions and is only inviting problems on the forums.

this might offend some, but that douse not mean its not relevant i am not stating that a t 5 is not relevant in balance discusions i am trying to get a picture of the difrence in views of ballance between the tiers, and if thats to incensetive ore blunt for u than so be it

cdlord, on 24 September 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

3D category? Probably, but not sure what that is.

that they are good as they are as a whole (some need buffs and some nerfs)

[Ultimax]

Most need to be buffed, the few good ones there are (FS9, ACH) do not need to be nerfed.


T2

[PocketAces]

I like to pilot lights, ans it shows in my tier.......... T4 half full.

[Throat Punch]

L3mming2, on 24 September 2015 - 07:52 AM, said:

this might offend some, but that douse not mean its not relevant i am not stating that a t 5 is not relevant in balance discusions i am trying to get a picture of the difrence in views of ballance between the tiers, and if thats to incensetive ore blunt for u than so be it



that they are good as they are as a whole (some need buffs and some nerfs)

So basically you are going to discount anyone below X tier's opinion because their views are of lesser value or biased because they must be bad to be in lower tiers? It took longer than i expected for one of these threads to appear. But I digress.

I think most lights are in a good place, with some maybe slightly overpowered and others underpowered. I'm Tier 5.

[Lorian Sunrider]

I own and have mastered most of the Inner Sphere and all of the Clan lights except for the Mist Lynx and Cheetah (their day will come soon™). In my humble opinion, this is how I break them down:

Needs a buff of some sort
Comandos
Jenners (my poor precious's CT hitbox)
Mist Lynx
Kitfox

Very minor buff
Spider
Panther
Adder (I'm probably in the minority here but I like my Adders)
Locusts (Specifically a few variants anyways)

Fine as are
Firestarters (could argue slight nerf easily)
Urbies
Ravens

Slight nerf
Cheetah (though I question how much of it is due to HSR)

Overall, I think if you want more people playing lights they need a slight, slight heath boost across the board. Either that or do something with convergence which has been beaten to death on here. But Lights dying instantly in a single alpha, while true to lore, isn't a whole lot of fun to play. In lore it wasn't easy to make every single weapon system hit a single component as well mind you.

Edit: Missed the request for Tier info. Tier 4 bordering Tier 3.

Edited by Lorian Sunrider, 24 September 2015 - 08:09 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

T4

Lights are fine. Much harder for me to kill than they were on TT.

[Soulos]

The best lights are fine where they are. Rest need buffs, some need massive buffs, looking at you commando.

T2, low end

Edit, I think the reason he wants to see tier is to see if lower / higher tiers agree or disagree on a whole. I want to see this as well. Folks who have a harder time hitting a light in motion might think they need nerds while the t1 elite who can duel gauss them in the back from 600 yards, no scope mind you, may think they need a buff. Fun way of looking at the issue if you ask me.

Edited by Soulos, 24 September 2015 - 08:03 AM.

[El Bandito]

Cheetah and Firestarter are bit too powerful. Jenner is the most ideal Light. Add more role warfare.

T2.

[Yellonet]

L3mming2, on 24 September 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

pl tell your tier alongside your awnser

Excuse me, but WTF does the tier have to do with this???

I didn't want to believe that there was an elitist group here

[Vlad Ward]

Yellonet, on 24 September 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Excuse me, but WTF does the tier have to do with this???

I didn't want to believe that there was an elitist group here

See graph for relevance.

[Yellonet]

Vlad Ward, on 24 September 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

See graph for relevance.

Yeah, I'm going to take a graph with the title "Truth" seriously.